An interview with Catherine Mary Stewart about “Night of the Comet” (Cult Movies #1)


This time I’m bringing you a different kind of interview – the first one, in what will hopefully become a new cycle, devoted to cult movies. I’m starting with someone absolutely special – Catherine Mary Stewart. She’s one of my most favorite actresses ever and a person who definitely knows a lot about cult movies (she’s played in quite a few of them, including The Last Starfighter, Mischief and Weekend at Bernie’s). In this interview we talk about Night of the Comet by Thom Eberhardt (released in USA on 16 November 1984). The myriads of die-hard fans of the movie know its plot by heart. Just in case, however, here comes a little reminder of how that movie starts.

For the first time in 65 million years, the Earth is passing through the tail of a comet. After the night of the comet’s passage, two Valley girls, Regina (Catherine Mary Stewart) and Sam (Kelli Maroney) wake up in a completely new world, realizing that in the meantime most of the people had turned to red dust, and those who had survived are dying or turning into dangerous zombies.

We talk about getting the role of Reggie Belmont, first day on set, working with Kelli Maroney, Robert Beltran and the director Thom Eberhardt, about unforgettable scenes, fighting a zombie, dancing, improvised lines and inspiring movie heroines – and, of course, that’s not all. These unusual times inspired me to add some questions to this interview, and thus Catherine Mary Stewart speaks also about living in the times of pandemics and her plans for the times when it’s over.

Łukasz Garbol: Do you remember how you got the role of Reggie Belmont, the girl next door turned heroine from Night of the Comet?

Catherine Mary Stewart: I remember reading with Heather Langenkamp. Heather and I were similar types. I know Kelli read with someone who was more her type. So, it was a surprise when they put Kelli and me together.

What were your first impressions when you were reading the script to that movie? What did you think of your character?

I loved that it was quirky with comedic elements and the character of Reg was a departure from the characters I’d been cast in before. I could relate to Reg. I grew up with two older brothers. I was never really a girlie girl. I loved that Reg was strong and independent.

And what about the first day on set? What are your most vivid memories when you go back to that time?

One of my most vivid memories is that on the way to set I had an accident in my car.  Fortunately, it wasn’t that big a deal. I slid into the side of a hill avoiding another car on a slippery, wet, windy mountain road. No one was hurt and my car made it to the set although the alignment was out and needed to be repaired. Incredibly, someone from transportation took the car into a repair shop and it was fixed by the end of the day! It was so cool that they did that for me.

First days are always a bit tense. Everyone is feeling each other out. The first scenes we did were post comet after I rode the motorcycle through town back to the house. I’m looking for Sam. It was the perfect scene to shoot on the first day. In the script on the set we were feeling everything out and trying to figure out what is going on.

As you’ve just said, you and Kelli Maroney, your movie sister Samantha, auditioned separately for your roles. Do you remember when you two first met on the set? What did you think about her when you first saw her?

As I mentioned, I was surprised when we were cast together because we weren’t necessarily the same “type”, but I think they saw that we would work well together in this story. Reg and Sam are very different, as are most sisters, and we fit what they wanted the characters to be.


In the movie the characters Reggie and Sam are quite an explosive duo, with different attitudes to life and different temperament types, although at the same time they are sisters loving each other and ready for sacrifices if need be. How did your cooperation as actresses look?

I think we approach characters and even acting quite differently. But again, I think that it really worked for us. Reg and Sam are very different people, but there is that sister connection. Our personalities may conflict, but our sister relationship is our bond, as it would be in real life.

I know that you and Kelli Maroney have sometimes a chance to meet during conventions, special screenings and Q&A sessions for fans. What is the best memory you two share, something you like to go back to and talk about when you see each other?

Kelli and I have different memories of the shoot. It’s actually fascinating to hear her recollections. I learn a lot! I enjoyed the comradery on the set. Thom Eberhardt was a wonderful director. We were given lots of room to play and explore our characters.

What about Robert Beltran who played Hector, a truck driver turning a post-apocalyptic hero? How was it working with him?

He’s a doll. I found him very talented, attractive and sexy. That also worked for this story. He was so generous, subtle and brilliant. He allowed Night of the Comet to be the sisters story.  He embellished the story and gave it a wonderful dimension.

And again, when you think about Robert Beltran, is there any memory from the set connected with him that stands out for you?

I loved watching him work. The scene where we are in the radio station was terrific for me. He wasn’t trying to prove anything, he just was. The quietness in his performance made the movie. He kept it real.

Do you have any contact with him nowadays?

I haven’t seen him for years!  It would be great to cross paths again someday.

What kind of director was Thom Eberhardt? How would you describe his style of work, of cooperating with actors?

Thom was lovely. This was his baby. He fought hard to keep the integrity of the script. There was some pressure to make it a straight-out horror movie but keeping it a little campy and funny along with the intensity of the subject is what makes this movie unique. 

Is it true that the scenes of Night of the Comet were played by actors (and filmed) in two ways: one was more serious, while the other more tongue in cheek style?

Some of the scenes were. The producers wanted to have it both ways in the can so they could decide which way they wanted to go after we wrapped. As I mentioned above, Thom Eberhardt convinced them that they should stick with the original more tongue in cheek concept.  I’m glad they did.

Did anything funny or unexpected happen during the shooting? Do you remember any hilarious moments from the set?

We did struggle with the MAC-10s jamming so we had to improvise or else there would’ve been a lot of wasted film. As an example, the scene where we’re practicing on a car, the MAC-10 kept jamming. Sam’s line “See that’s the problem with these things. Daddy would’ve gotten us UZI’s”, was not in the script.  I added, “The car didn’t know the difference…”.

Speaking of dialogues,  I would say they are among the elements that make this movie so enjoyable to watch. Was it a matter of Thom Eberhardt’s great script, of the improvisation you’ve just mentioned, or maybe the combination of both?

Apparently Thom did quite a bit of teenage girl behavior and talk research. He did invite improvisation on the set though. There was a real feeling of freedom in that way. 

If we talk about people crucial to making that movie, let me ask you about another important person – but this time someone important in your contact with fans. Tom Ryan is not only helping you run your social media, but also, as I could see visiting several web pages with texts devoted to Night of the Comet and your other movies, he is very active promoting your websites and interacting with your fans wherever possible. Could you say a few words about your cooperation? Is it true that everything began on the set of Mischief – another movie you starred in that is still very popular?

Tom Ryan has always been very enthusiastic and supportive to me. We did meet on the set of Mischief.  He was a stand in and extra. He was also going to college in Athens, Ohio near where we shot the film, and interviewed me several times for the school newspaper. He contacted me again a few years ago through a mutual friend. I eventually asked him if he would help me with my Facebook page as an administrator. He has been invaluable to me in that way. He also assists me at conventions on occasion.

Reggie and Samantha managed to become an inspiration for other movie heroines, but also for many young people (not only women, but also men, as you often say). It was possible thanks to your awesome performances as actresses, but also thanks to the way these characters were written. What do you think makes Reggie Belmont so special, so appealing to the audience?

I think Reggie represents a strong, independent, unapologetic female. You don’t see many of those in movies except maybe in female superheroes. The difference is that Reg is accessible and relatable. Audiences appreciate that. Male and female. I think she inspires them.

Reggie, like you’ve said, as well as Night of the Comet as a whole, inspired (and even now keeps inspiring) a lot of people. What were your inspirational movies from that time, from the 80s?

I thought Aliens was awesome. Sigourney Weaver was incredible. I’m not a huge horror, sci-fi fan I guess, ironically, but this movie was extraordinary. At the other end of the spectrum is Airplane with Robert Hays. It is still considered one of the funniest movies ever made!  I love all genres and all eras.

Belmont Sisters are tough women, action heroines, but at the same time they are not devoid of interesting personalities, intriguing backstory and of femininity (which are unfortunately elements of building the character that action movie heroines often lack in many productions). When you look for such movies and movie characters, which roles, which films do you find most convincing and inspiring?

I love the haunting quiet of Lars Von Trier’s Melancholia. I’m fascinated with end of the world movies. I find it fascinating how a writer approaches the idea. Another favorite is Stanley Kramer’s On the Beach from 1959. I’m interested in the exploration of the human condition especially in dire circumstances. 

Going on with the topic of well-developed characters, let me ask you: when you think of your favourite movie characters ever, which ones come to your mind? And what makes them so memorable?

I’m a huge Maggie Smith fan. I’ve loved her since The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie and I just can’t take my eyes off her in Downton Abbey.  She is brilliant! One of my favorite movies ever is Sophie’s Choice. Talk about well developed characters. Meryl Streep is mind blowing in that movie and in most of her movies in terms of character.

I’d like to talk now about some of the iconic scenes from Night of the Comet. In the opening sequence Reggie is playing a video game. She is upset because she sees some “DMK” beat one of her high scores. In one of the scenes from the beginning of the second season of Stranger Things series Dustin, one of the main characters, finds himself in a similar situation when he discovers that his high score was topped by someone named “MADMAX”. I think that could be a little tribute to Night of the Comet, one of numerous easter eggs for fans of the ‘80s present in that show. Have you seen other similar references to Night of the Comet or to any other movie you played in?

Several of my movies from the ‘80s have been referenced in other shows. Weekend at Bernie’s has been referenced many, many times, from Friends to online political jokes. The Last Starfighter was acknowledged in the series Future Man. There was a Night of the Comet tip of the hat in the series The Walking Dead. One of the zombies was dressed and appeared exactly like the zombie that I fought in the alley. Joss Whedon has said that the character of Buffy in the movie Buffy the Vampire Slayer was inspired by Night of the Comet.

In many interviews you mentioned that you weren’t a big video games expert or fan. I’d like to ask about something connected with this topic. These days, more and more movie actors are cast to lend their voices to computer game characters. Have you ever had a chance to try this kind of acting work? Or, if not, would you like to try it?

I play a character called Moira in Red Dead Redemption II. It was fascinating performing in “motion capture”. I had never done anything like that before. It was wild! 

When we meet your character, she’s working at a movie theatre. Imagine that you run your own cinema and can decide which movies are screened there – and you can choose from all the films in the history of the cinema. Which titles would you definitely include in your movie theatre repertoire? Which are the most unforgettable movies you’ve watched and you would like to share with others?

Apocalyptic genre: Melancholia, On the Beach

Dance and Musical genre: Turning Point, Fame, Jesus Christ Superstar

Classic genre: Sophie’s Choice, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Romeo and Juliet, To Sir, with Love

Silent Era: D.W. Griffith

Wow! That’s quite a diverse list! Let’s get back to Night of the Comet. When the comet finally arrives flying close to the Earth and most of the people celebrating and watching this spectacle are wiped out, Regina, who doesn’t know what’s going on yet, is attacked by a zombie, fights back and escapes on a motorcycle. I know that you did that fight scene on your own, you weren’t doubled by a stuntwoman. Was that sequence more of a fun or a challenge?

I loved the fight scene. I’m a trained dancer so I was prepared physically. Plus, the Zombie was a really good stunt guy (ŁG: Alex Brown) so I felt safe. It was a LOT of fun.

What about riding a motorcycle? Was that you or a stuntwoman?

I did have a stunt double for the motorcycle riding.  

By the way, sometimes you have to play doing something that you aren’t really doing in front of the camera (like playing the video game in Night of the Comet scene already mentioned) or probably can’t even do in real life (like piloting a plane in a movie titled Sharpshooter). How do you prepare for such scenes? Do you know any tricks to make them look convincing on the screen?

To look convincing, you have to ask questions of those who know how to play, or fly, or whatever it is you are doing that you are not an expert at. The director, DP and editor make sure it looks realistic.

Going back to memorable scenes from the movie, I’d like to move on to the scene in which Reggie and Sam test their guns on a car standing near by. Some of the Night of the Comet fans have noticed that you don’t blink while shooting, which doesn’t happen so often in case of actors and actresses dealing with guns. Did you undergo any special firearms training before the shooting of the movie? How did this preparation look like?

We did target practice with the MAC-10s so that we were comfortable with them. To me it’s essential that if it’s supposed to be second nature that your character can fire a gun or smoke a cigarette, or whatever it is, you MUST look like you are 100% comfortable with it and committed to the action.

Another unforgettable part of the movie is the sequence of scenes in the shopping mall, including the one of you and Kelli Maroney dancing to “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun” song while trying on different clothes. Was that scene totally scripted and planned or were you allowed some spontaneity and improvisation?

We kind of made it up as we went along. It was a collaboration between Kelli, me and the director.


And how were those scenes filmed? Were you using an actual clothes shop during the shooting? And, if you were, didn’t you accidentaly destroy anything that wasn’t supposed to be destroyed?

We shot in an actual clothing store in a real mall, but everything that appeared in the movie was a prop.  I can’t speak as to whether or not we wrecked anything. I didn’t have to clean up afterwards.

Speaking of clothes, is it true that, going shopping with a costume designer, you had a chance to pick the costumes you were wearing in the movie?

All the clothes I wore I picked out with the wardrobe person right from the store. It was great!  I loved those clothes and got to keep what I wanted!

You say you could keep whichever costume you wanted to keep. Which one was your favourite one? 

I think I kept pretty much everything from my wardrobe, aside from the stuff that got destroyed or stained during the shoot. I loved those little grey boots I wore. I wore those for years after the movie.

I’d like to ask you about one more thing in a way connected with the scenes we’re discussing. There was a short dance sequence in the fragment mentioned – of you and Kelli Maroney dancing around the mall. You‘re an accomplished dancer. In one of your Facebook Q&A sessions with fans you mentioned that you’d love to dance in Dancing with the Stars. Is there any particular dance style you would like to dance? Or any particular song to dance to?

I love all styles of dance. I suppose I would be most comfortable with “modern”, but I would love to learn ballroom dance and would enjoy the challenge of learning the different techniques.

In the last scenes of the movie we see your character who, we could say, changed from “Reggie” to “Regina”, becoming, at least probably in her opinion, the model mother of a post-apocalyptic family (a moment mocked by her sister Sam). Have you ever thought about her possible future? Have you tried to imagine what her later days and years could have looked like?

She is probably in for a rude awakening in terms of the responsibility of her new grown up role. Hector has his hands full with her too! It was fun to portray Regina as a kind of antithetical character to Reggie. I’m going to assume that Regina and Hector procreate at some point, but she has some growing up to do for sure. I love that the movie ended with the kind of fantastical fantasy of the perfect nuclear family, except of course for the rebellious Sam.

And what would Reggie be like now if you could play her in a sequel? What vision of her does your imagination bring?

It would be fun to see what a writer would come up with.

I don’t know if there are plans for the sequel, but I’ve recently found the information that Roxanne Benjamin is working on the script of the remake of Night of the Comet. Do you happen to know any details?

I think it’s been shelved, thankfully. It was to be a remake. I’m not a fan of remakes, and I didn’t get the feeling her script would have had any integrity to the original concept.  That’s a problem to me.

If not a remake, maybe a sequel? What do you think of such a possibility?

If anything, I would vote for a sequel, but Thom Eberhardt has no interest in being involved so that would be the deal breaker for me. Only he could create a worthy sequel.

One more element that comes to my mind when I think of Night of the Comet is its really awesome soundtrack full of great songs. What are your personal favorites as far as music goes? Which singers / bands, which kinds of music or particular songs do you like most?

I’m a big 60’s and 70’s music person. I do like Cindy Lauper.

Night of the Comet is one of those movies that never get old, but instead keep gaining new fans from new generations of movie lovers. You often mention that fans tell you that Night of the Comet and The Last Starfighter are the movies the love to which they pass on to their children. Were there any movies that you wanted to share with your children, to pass on to them when they were growing up?

We are big Bugs Bunny fans from the old days. Some of those classic Mel Blanc characters are timeless and awesome.

And have your children seen Night of the Comet?

They have seen Night of the Comet. They were quite young when they saw it last, I think, so I don’t know if they have an opinion about it, or have much of a memory of it, really.

The recent events unexpectedly changed the shape of this interview making me add some questions I wouldn’t have thought of otherwise. Empty streets in the places that used to be crowded, the atmosphere of loneliness, the lack of contact with many people we used to see very often – these are not only words that could describe the plot of Night of the Comet now. All these, although hopefully to soon be gone in some places, are elements of our everyday lives nowadays, our lives in the times of pandemic. You once said that you would like to direct a kind of apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic movie some day. Do you think that current situation, which in a way makes us think about the fragility of human life, may be an inspiration for movie makers?

Absolutely. There are so many elements of the human condition that remain dormant when we just carry on in our “normal” lives. This pandemic has awakened all sorts of life dimensions that are ripe to explore. I think this time will inspire all sorts of interesting creativity.

What is your way to survive these hard times? What do you do to find your inner strength and not to lose hope?

I am struggling with not being able to move around and socialize the way I’m used to. Not only on a day to day basis, but normally I travel quite a bit. I’m feeling a little trapped at the moment. I’m trying to stay creative and busy. It will pass at some point so we all just have to hang in there.

A lot of people share their dreams and plans for the times when everything goes back to normal. Is there anything you particularly miss now? Anything you plan doing when the pandemics is over or at least under control? Anyone you’re looking forward to seeing?

My priority is to see my kids up close and give them a huge hug and to see my dad in Canada. 

And what are your acting (or directing) plans for the near future?

I have three projects I’m developing to direct at the moment. One of which I will also act in.  Of course everything is on hold, but I’m keeping them moving forward.

Thank you very very much for this remote talk. I’m really glad you managed to find time for this correspondence interview. I’m really honoured and grateful and I hope this won’t be our last interview for this blog 🙂

by Łukasz Garbol, May / June 2020

Check Catherine Mary Stewart’s pages and social media:





Catherine Mary Stewart – The Official Site

You should also definitely visit this awesome website:

The Ultimate Night of the Comet Fan Site

Photo 1 by Tilden Patterson. Photo 2 is a movie poster to Night of the Comet. The rest of the photos are the frames and stills from Night of the Comet (copyrights: Atlantic Releasing Corporation & MGM Studios). Photos 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 10 from Catherine Mary Stewart’s archives used by her permission. All photo copyrights belong to their respective owners.

An interview with Kara Conway (singer, songwriter)

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After a long break I’m back with a brand new interview. I talk to Kara Conway – a young, beautiful and incredibly talented singer and songwriter from Scotland. She does not only record awesome covers of greatest hits by famous artists, like Amy Macdonald, Birdy, Bruce Springsteen or Adele, but also writes and sings her own songs. We talk about her inspirations, her favourite music, writing lyrics and unforgettable concerts. Kara will also share with you some ways to keep both your body and soul warm during winter. Check this promising artist because she definitely deserves more attention. I’m sure we’ll soon have a chance to hear about her more often.

The Christmas time is over, but here, in Poland, we traditionally sing Christmas carols till the beginning of February, so let me go back to Christmas for a moment. Do you have your favourite Christmas carols or Christmas songs? Do you sing any?

Ah, in the UK it’s the opposite; Christmas songs start playing right after Halloween and stop soon after Christmas day! My favourite Christmas songs are “Walking in the Air” and “Fairytale of New York”, though I used to sing in choirs so I know my fair share of carols!

We’re talking at the beginning of the New Year. Did you make any resolutions when the clock struck twelve and 2018 began? Could you share any of them with the readers?

I didn’t – I don’t really do the whole “New Year, New Me” thing!

And what about 2017? Were there any moments in music, any outstanding songs, albums or performances that will stay in your memory for long? Did you discover any interesting artists last year?

The album I listened to most was Lorde’s Melodrama! I also got to see a couple of my favourite artists live! Interesting artists … Kathryn Joseph and Jade Bird.

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It’s my little tradition to ask artists about their beginnings. It may be a little difficult question, but maybe you’ll manage to find the answer in your memory: who was the first artist that impressed you when you were a little girl? What was your first favourite song back then?

I loved The Sound of Music so anything Julie Andrews!

And what about now? What are you mostly listening to? Which artists are the most often guests on your playlists?

Most often on my playlist would have to be: Graham Nash, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Amy MacDonald and Gabrielle Aplin.

Do you remember the very beginning of your musical journey? When was the first time you thought you would like to sing and make music?

I’ve played piano since I was little, but it wasn’t until I went to high school that I really got into music. While I was there I had two great music teachers that were really encouraging about the singing.

You sing, but you also play the guitar. Do you remember the first piece of music you learnt to play on your guitar? When was that?

It was Oasis’ “Wonderwall” and that was two and a half years ago!

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And what was your first ‘bigger‘ performance like? A concert at school? A performance for your family or friends? Or maybe something completely different?

It was probably doing a solo performance at the school’s Christmas concert!

I remember that Birdy, one of the artists you cover, once sang some of her songs at Amsterdam Central Station, surprising the passengers waiting there for their trains. I was lucky enough to catch the final part of it and watch it live on Facebook. Have you ever sung in any unusual places or situations? Or maybe you have taken part in some unusual concert as a listener?

The most unusual concert I’ve been to was a Tommy Emmanuel one because we were watching him play guitar for a couple of hours – which you would think might get a bit much after a while – but he was just doing the most incredible things! It was amazing!

You’ve already covered several great songs, including “Wings” by Birdy, Amy Macdonald’s “This is the Life”or Bruce Springsteen’s classic “I’m on Fire”. When I listened to all of them one by one, I realized how diverse your choice was and how wide a palette of vocal possibilities you have. Which of the song you’ve covered so far has given you most pleasure, most satisfaction?

At the time they’ve all given me a sense of accomplishment. Some of the songs I had really liked and wanted to learn for myself, others I hadn’t been sure of but had been asked to do and ended up really liking them!


And what is on the top of your “must-sing” list as far as the future covers go?

Definitely some Amy Winehouse!

We’ve talked about your cover versions of famous hits. Let’s move on to your original songs. You’re not only a singer, but also a songwriter. What or who inspires you to write lyrics?

I’m inspired by things that have happened to me as well as people watching!

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Could you share some of your writing process secrets with the readers and tell us in a few words the stories of the lyrics to “Dreamers in Disguise” and “Bitter”?

One was written on piano and the other on guitar! “Dreamers in Disguise” is about a couple of different things and “Bitter” is about someone I was frustrated with!

In both of your original songs available on YouTube there’s quite a lot of sadness and contemplative atmosphere, I would say (although, of course, I find also other emotional shades there). Is it the kind of mood you would like to stick to in your music, or are you planning to try also something completely different?

I think that was the right mood for those songs, but I don’t restrict myself to that.

By the way, can we count on your next original song any time soon?

Yes, there’s one going up very very soon!

Amy Macdonald, one of the artists you’re covering (and one of my favourite artists, too), won the hearts of the listeners all over the world when she was about 20. When you think of young Scottish singers, who would you say can be the next such a star? Of course I wish you to be one in the near future J But what about other young Scottish talents worth noticing?

Check out Sara ‘N’ Junbug!

Some of your fans wrote in the comments on FB that you should go to “X-Factor”. Have you thought about starting in this, or any similar, talent show? What do you think about such TV shows in general? Can they give young artists a chance to get some more recognition?

I’ve auditioned for “The Voice” before and didn’t get through, but it’s not something I had set all my hopes on – I think you have to be realistic about those sorts of shows. But yeah, there are a small number of people who have gone on to achieve great success from them.


If you were to imagine your inner musical world as a magical land, what would it look like? What would a traveller to such a land see while visiting it?

Lots of glitter!

And, in one sentence, what is music for you? 


Apart from music, what do you love or like doing? What are your hobbies, passions? What do you do when you have some free time?

I love running and spin classes!

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Coming to an end of our interview, I’d like to ask you about something different. We’re talking during winter and in some parts of the world this particular winter is really harsh. What’s your way to stay warm and healthy during winter’s freezing cold?

Warm cadies and hot water bottles!

That’s something for the body. What about the spirit? Which song (or songs) would you recommend to keep our hearts warm during wintry days?

I only discovered this recently, but Hannah Grace’s cover of “Praise You”!

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Thank you very much for this “remote talk”. I hope more people will get to know about you and your music and I’ll be definitely looking forward for your new original songs and covers 🙂

Check Kara Conway’s YouTube channel, follow her on Instagram

and like her Facebook page:

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Kara on YouTube


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I used screenshots from Kara Conway’s YouTube clips and photos from Kara’s private archives (by her permission) – for which, and a chance to make this interview I’m really grateful – thank you so much, Kara 🙂 All photo copyrights belong to their respective owners.

by Łukasz Garbol, January 2018

An interview with Candice Heiden

When the music video to “Sweet Lovin’” by Sigala immediately became one of the most popular clips on YouTube, a lot of people were wondering who the incredible girl roller skating in it was. Since I first watched it, I had been one of them, too, so I wanted to know more about this amazing person. Making this interview was really making one of my dreams come true. She’s a world class champion with a lot of experience (also as a coach), an accomplished roller skater who has been featured in hugely popular music videos, and she’s always managed to have fun and find pleasure in what she’s been doing. We talk about the beginnings of her career, her greatest successes, the unique atmosphere at the rinks, roller skaters’ camaraderie and her craziest ideas. Candice Heiden will also take you behind the scenes of the music videos we can watch her skating in and share a few words of advice for those who have just started roller skating.


Remote Talk: Did you watch the Olympic Games in Rio? What were your favourite moments?

Candice Heiden: I definitely didn’t watch as much as I would’ve liked, but of course the US women’s gymnastics has always been a favorite of mine, and so inspiring. I think I may have watched them while doing the splits at some point lol. I also loved seeing Claressa Maria Shields win the gold a second time in women’s boxing.

Skateboarding is now officially an olympic sport. It will debut in Tokyo in 2020. Do you think that roller skating will ever be an olympic sport too? Would it be a good idea? I’m asking about it, because some skateboarders are afraid the organizers may not get the right people to prepare skateboarding events during the Olympics.

I’m not quite sure if roller skating will be an olympic sport. It’s been a hope I’ve carried since I began skating over 20 years ago. If organizers used viewership numbers from ice figure skating, I think it would make a lot of sense to have its counter-part (roller) be shown in the Summer Games. There is also a great movement happening now with roller skaters in skate parks (I mean girls are throwing back flips in quad skates, it’s incredibly athletic and impressive to watch), which could compliment the skateboarding sport and perhaps have a cross-over of viewers and fans. As far as organizers go, I would hope that there is a team to properly market and brand roller skating to present it effectively to the general population. As far as I know, there is very little being done to market roller skating in an effective way by a group of organizers. The best at this seem to be skaters themselves.

As a member of the national team, you represented USA in World Championships many times. You also took part in World Games 2001 in Akita, winning Silver Medal in artistic roller skating. How did it feel like?

Its funny you ask about that one. The Silver Medal from the World Games has been the only medal, trophy or reward that I have ever shown to my students as inspiration. It’s quite impressive and represents so much to me. That competition in particular was very memorable because of the skaters that were on the US team, the closeness of the rest of the international competitors, our performance, the condition of the floor, and skating while injured… an experience I’ll never forget.

A lot of people have discovered you thanks to music videos. Music videos featuring you include Avid Dancer’s “I Want To See You Dance”, Chet Faker’s “Gold”, “Sweet Lovin’” by Sigala and “Make Me Like You” by Gwen Stefani. I’d like you to lead us behind the scenes and share some secrets of making these videos. Let’s start with Chet Faker’s “Gold” you made with April Corley and Appelusa McGlynn. Where was it recorded? Did filming at night matter? Did it make the ride more difficult?

We shot the “Gold” video on a highway north of LA over night. Filming at night was ok for us once we made sure our path was clean and free of debris. There was a large light attached to the bottom of the truck we were chasing that lit up everything we needed to see.

Is it true that the road wasn’t actually empty, but there were cars driving past your group?

We had the road locked down by local police, but yes, cars were allowed to pass through between our takes.


There are many theories on what the story in the clip is about and who your characters are. What do you think?

We were given direction on our roles and characters by the incredible director Hiro Murai and translated by the incomparable choreographer Ryan Heffington. From what I understood we were sirens coming in and out of the light, but with a constant type of forward progression.

”I Want To See You Dance” looks like a scene from a movie. Did you feel a little bit like a star of the 80s roller skating film?

This was the first time I had done a music video that featured me solo and honestly it was a little intimidating at first, but I quickly warmed up to the freedom that the director gave me as choreographer, which inspired me to try things that I would do if I were just skating alone by myself. It was really fun. I love how that one turned out because the crew was literally 5 extraordinarily creative people that worked together beautifully to create solutions and ideas on the spot that read so beautifully on screen.

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Where did they film it?

This one was filmed at the famous Moonlight Rollerway in Glendale, CA. Minutes from Hollywood. Half the skating work I do is shot there, it’s a beautiful facility and the owner, Dominic, is a sweetheart.

By the way, do you have your favourite movies about roller skaters?

Hmm… My favorite movie that features roller skating might be Roller Boogie just because my competitive coach taught Jimmy Bray (the main skater) and I love that he does a full competitive routine almost as if it were a physical monologue… and it’s technically a really difficult routine, which I’ve always been super impressed with. No one told him he needed to do a loop combo, but he does, just because he’s a badass!

”Sweet Lovin’” is the biggest hit among the ones mentioned, at least so far. Where did you make the clip? Who accompanied you on roller skates?

“Sweet Lovin’” was filmed all over LA, various locations including the downtown arts district, the LA river, and a Beverly Hills neighborhood. Some of my best friends and star roller skaters skated with me on that one: Nicole Leonard (4-time World Champion), Ali Stravino (National Champion), Michelle Steilen, Chelsea Traille and an incredible jam skater Tony Zane.

Were there any onlookers moving around when you were filming, any strange reactions?

For the most part, we were shooting with locked down locations, but when there were onlookers they were loving the smoke on my skates.

Can you say a few words about the techniques and figures we can admire you doing in the video to “Sweet Lovin’” (and, more or less, the time in the clip we can see them)?

While I don’t do much that I would consider technical in this video, as they wanted me to just have fun freestyling around LA, I do a shoot the duck at 0:27-0:28, a full 360 jump around 1:53, a spiral happens around 2:47, me and Nicole hit the splits as Chelsea and Michelle roll over the top of us, a 2 person move that I used and created with Danielle Hawkins in the DJ Fresh “Louder” music video. We actually had some pretty awesome choreography created by Chris Downey and Matt Cady (amazing choreographers and so fun to work with) that we didn’t have time to shoot more than once that day and unfortunately was left out of the final edit.

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Did you expect such huge popularity of that clip when you were making it? At the moment it has more than 172,1 million views.

I honestly am the worst about gaging which videos will do well and which ones will stay smaller, had no idea when shooting that this or “Gold” would become so popular. I feel extremely grateful and honored to have so many people see me skate.

“Sweet Lovin’” is definitely a summer hit that’s going to stay popular for a long time. What about your favourite summer hits? Do you have songs that remind you of great summer / holiday moments?

I love the Gwen Stefani “Make Me Like You”, it’s a perfect skating song and I heard it for 2 weeks straight while rehearsing for the video and still love it. That means something. I also love listening to “Love Never Felt So Good”, the lost Michael Jackson hit that they released with Justin Timberlake. I’m also really into “This Girl” by Kungs, definitely a summer fave.

The music video for “Make Me Like You” that you’ve just mentioned was special in two ways: firstly, because obviously Gwen Stefani herself is an exceptional artist, secondly – because you made live music video for the song! How was it? Did you have a chance to talk a little bit to Gwen Stefani?

I’m still blown away by what was pulled off for that video to happen. I’ve definitely never been a part of anything with so much risk and moving parts. It literally had to be executed with military precision lol. The planning and coordination involved was beyond comprehension, what we did in our skating scene was literally nothing compared to what the dancers, crew and Gwen had to do perfectly at the right time. Our biggest challenge was moving around one another smoothly at speed, while dancing in a confined space, while letting Gwen take the lead and hold down the front comfortably. She’s such a rock star! And yes, we did get to spend time with her and even met her boys, they are all super sweet.

Did anything funny or unexpected happen during making any of those music videos?

In Sigala’s clip, the smoke canisters were falling off all day and you can see it in a part of the video where I look down at my skate because it shook loose and I quickly put my foot in front of the other to hide it falling off and to save the shot.

Reading the articles about filming the music videos you took part in, I’ve got the impression that there’s no rat race among roller skaters, but rather mutual trust, respect, camaraderie. Is that true?

I’m extremely proud to be a part of the roller skating community because that’s exactly what it is… a community. As I’ve done larger projects, I have seen how different we are from other performance communities and although others are friendly, we definitely are a different breed, a bit goofy, and very supportive of one another. Even when a dancer has to throw on skates for a scene, you’ll see the professional skaters stepping right up to help and support that dancer. I love the camaraderie that we share, it’s inspiring and has led me to co-create an entertainment company that supports and creates work for roller skaters.


As you’ve just mentioned, together with other accomplished world-class roller skaters, you founded LA Roller Girls (the photo above). When did an idea to set up such a group appear?

Me and the girls have been working professionally in LA for years and were being contacted frequently about finding other skaters for castings. We finally realized we were already doing the job we wanted to do so we got organized and created something we are really proud of – a unified front really, where people can go to find the best skaters.

Your group combine training young girls with working in entertainment. Can you say more about it?

Yes, this is one of the most important parts of what we do, and I hold it so close to my heart because I love teaching and helping others accomplish their goal. When I started working professionally as a skater, there was no one to help you learn how to take your training as an elite athlete and somehow present it in the right way for entertainment purposes. One of the most exciting parts of LA Roller Girls Entertainment is that I get to work with girls that I have coached as competitive athletes, and watched grow up. I love being able to advocate for them as they get started in professional skating and put their years of training and incredible skills to use.

Have LA Roller Girls been busy this summer?

We’ve been unexpectedly busy this summer, to the point that work became so frequent we had to cancel a trip to Europe to teach at the BCN Roller dance festival. We had been looking forward to it all year and were so disappointed to have to back out.


On YouTube, in the comments to the videos we’ve mentioned, some people, especially ladies, admit that they started roller skating after watching you and your friends. Have you had any messages or comments from such people?

When I receive messages or comments about people returning to skating after seeing me or taking up roller skating because of something they’ve seen me do, I get a little emotional. I’m such a nerd. I feel like I’ve won somehow, I’ve accomplished something important if I’ve inspired someone. I literally read the message to my boyfriend and get all sappy. It’s funny.

We’ve talked about LA Roller Girls and extremely popular music videos you performed in, but it’s just a part of your career. Do you remember how it all began? When did you put on the roller skates for the first time? Why did you decide to try roller skating?

The earliest picture I have of me roller skating, I must’ve been about 5 years old walking around my backyard in them with my most special backpack on. They were plastic skates that probably didn’t even roll lol. My mom and her sisters dabbled in roller figure skating as young girls and my parents knew I needed something to do with my energy. Luckily for me, my aunt was still in contact with their old coach who happened to be coaching the reigning world champion, so I trained with the absolute best from the get-go… The stars were seriously aligned for me.


Some people say that roller skating gives a special sensation, that you can feel like you were flying. Is it so? What’s so unique about it?

For me it’s complete freedom, floating, flying, it’s very ethereal. I used to close my eyes sometimes during competition in big overhead lifts, just to feel more like I was flying. Having the music playing as you float really creates a feeling almost as if being out of body. It’s great!

People who used to spend a lot of time at roller skating rinks in the past, for example in the 80s, say that friendships were born there, that they fell in love at the rink or came there looking for consolation after breaking up. Have you ever experienced something like that, for example making friends you still stay in touch with?

Most of my best friends are roller skaters, first kiss was a rink rat like me, my first job was in the snack bar of the rink, and definitely when I’m feeling empty I go skate alone (usually at the tennis courts near my house). Even though I’m in skates about 6 days a week for work, my friends and I will still go skating as a hangout activity. It’s hilarious.

Talking about hanging out with friends, I have to ask about jam skating. It’s something that looks absolutely amazing. For those who don’t know the name, could you explain what it is? Why do you think it’s so special?

Jam skating I would describe as break dancing meets roller skates. There are several different styles, some are big power moves that require all kinds of upper body strength (see my buddy Tony Zane in Sigala’s video) and other types of jam skating progressively move around the skating floor with amazing shuffling footwork integrated with tricks. I think this is very special because it is very stylized and you will almost never see two jam skaters that look the same, everyone has their own identity, the best ones look like amazing dancers with skates on their feet, you almost forget they’re rolling.

You’re working with young girls. If you compare the situation of roller skating (its popularity, the access to the rinks, the atmosphere at the rinks) at the time you started your career to the present, when they start training, do you see any big differences?

I’ve been coaching skating for about 14 years now and there has been a significant change in numbers of skaters, and quality of skating, even in my years as a coach. I try not to compare today with yesterday because the world is a completely different place now, children are different, families are different, the things that motivate people, children and adults are very different, the emphasis on family physical activities has changed so of course skating has changed. I’m trying to find ways to show the benefits of skating for your health, mind and development as an individual. The roller skating I grew up in, is an individual sport where almost all of my life lessons were learned. I was very fortunate to have it as a positive outlet for me and I would love for others to get out of it what I did. I feel that even with the differences in society now from then, roller skating still has a place to positively affect people’s lives.


You do incredible things on roller skates. Did you train dance in the past? Or were dance moves just a part of your roller skating training?

I would love to say I have a background in dance, because I desperately wanted to be a dancer growing up. I danced all the time, but always chose to skate rather than pursue any of my other passions and in my house there was hardly enough money to skate, let alone do anything else.

You don’t only roller skate, you also ride on rollerblades. You once mentioned that you took up rollerblading as an addition to your training at some point. From your experience, what are the main differences between roller skating and rollerblading?

Yes I turned to blades as a kid as a way to practice outside, my parents wouldn’t let me use my good equipment outdoors, but I wanted to skate all the time so on days where there was no practice I would put on blades and skate in the driveway. The biggest difference was how they fit, they don’t hug your feet and react at all like a roller skate. Spinning is quite tricky too but you learn to make adjustments. I like how much lighter they are, it makes jumps feel quite different though.

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If you were to choose three most important moments of your career so far, what would you pick?

Hmm… I would have to say as a competitive athlete, earning the Silver medal at the World Games was definitely one of the best moments. Another stand out career moment for me would be earning my first John Wintz award for coaching a National Champion, and professionally it would have to be realizing how many people have seen roller skating by way of the Chet Faker video and now the Sigala video as well. It blows my mind that people can now see what roller skating is.


Apart from being an accomplished roller skater, you have other talents, too. While watching your roller skating videos, I came across your “Boxing combos” clips – and they were pretty awesome! Haven’t you thought of combining roller skating and fighting – for a movie or a TV series episode?

I have trained in boxing and kickboxing and love learning about the technical aspect of those sports. I haven’t thought of gloves and skates at the same time.

And, in general, if you could guest star in a movie or a TV series, which series or what kind of movie would you like to play in? Maybe some director or producer will read this interview, who knows? 😉

I would love to do anything physical, I love learning and training in a new medium. Wrestling cracks me up and I think my size would be hilarious in a role like that.

Apparently, one of your favourite movies is Amélie. The title character of the movie “sends” a garden gnome on a journey and asks a friend, a flight attendant, to send the pictures of it, taken in different parts of the world, to Amelie’s father. Have you ever done anything as crazy as that? Or maybe even crazier?

I do love Amélie! One of my favorite little pranks has definitely been taking embarrassing photos of friends that would otherwise be throwaways and having them turned into wrapping paper, then giving them gifts in their paper, it’s great!

And what movies do you like watching in your free time? What books do you like reading? What bands and singers do you listen to?

While I don’t get to the movies often, I try to make it a point to see the ones that get nominated, I love good acting and aesthetically pleasing directing. Tarantino films are always a favorite of mine, and Lawrence of Arabia is in my top 3 of all time, its aesthetically gorgeous. My go-to reading is definitely spiritual guidance books because I can read them in pieces and it will completely take away my need to worry for the entire day or maybe longer, it’s like a reset for my perspective on things, it’s magic. As far as music goes, I’m a classic rock and soul girl so 60s and 70s are my easy listening genres, but I love finding new music with a classic feel: Alabama Shakes, Aloe Blacc, Jack White, The Black Keys to name a few.

What about other pastimes? Do you have enough time for any?

I design and create costumes, it costs me so much time but I love how I feel when I’ve created something from an idea in my head, put it on paper, cut some material and created a garment, it really is creating something physical from something that was not there before. There’s something magical about it. I also started to learn to play piano, I would love to spend more time on it, because I do love it and it forces me to sit still, it requires discipline, which I love. I practice yoga and I’m trained in stilt dancing. I do yoga about 3-4 times a week (thank goodness I have time for that).


What advice would you give to the beginners, those who are just starting their adventure with roller skating?

Don’t give up or be discouraged, if something becomes frustrating or stagnant, move on to another skill and then come back, a fresh perspective makes all the difference.

Where can we see you live (solo or with LA Roller Girls) in the nearest future? Are you going to work on any new music videos (or movies)?

I just finished shooting a video for Norah Jones and shot another video for Hardwell featuring Jay Sean. They should be out shortly (RT: Both videos are already out now: Norah Jones “Tragedy (Lyric Video)” and Hardwell feat. Jay Sean “Thinking About You”). I’m also working on putting out a lifestyle video partnering with High Fidelity Pictures and HQ Avalon Studios where we will get to create the roller skating music video of our dreams! Im also excited to share that the LA Roller Girls will be skating in the “America’s Got Talent Christmas Special” over the holiday season.

We talked about summer hits, summer events and summer sports. At the end, let me ask you one more ‘summer’ question. Three things you like about summer?

I love when the weather is so hot that you have to be in water, I love the water! I also love that people seem to be more social in summer and want to do more things as a group, it’s hard to find time to connect with people these days. I like that I can get away with wearing shorts and sandals every day and not doing my hair is more acceptable because it looks like I might be going to or coming from the beach at any given time lol.

Thank you very much. I’m so happy you’ve managed to find some time for this interview 🙂

by Łukasz Garbol, September – October 2016

As usual, some links worth checking:

image10 Candice Heiden on Instagram

Candice Heiden on YouTube

LA Roller Girls – official page

LA Roller Girls’ Instagram

LA Roller Girls’ Facebook

Most of the photos are taken from from Candice’s archives / Instagram (by her permission), photos 1 and 14 by Elaine Reid, photo 2 is a still from the “Gold” music video, photo 3 – a frame from the music video to “I Want To See You Dance” by Avid Dancer, photo 4 – a frame from “Sweet Lovin” music video (by Sigala ft. Bryn Christopher), photo 5 by Michael Wise, photo 9 is a still from DJ Fresh’s “Louder” music video, photo 10 is a frame from “Freeskate in Los Angeles” video (filming: Niels Groenendijk, Remy Cadier). All photo copyrights belong to their respective owners.


An interview with Aleksandra Rudzińska

The person I’d like to present in my newest interview showed, more than once, that she can rule on a climbing wall. Ola Rudzińska is a three times World Youth Champion (female B, A, junior), the 2014 Bronze Medalist of World Championship and the European Vice-Champion from 2012. If you don’t know what sport climbing is about or how fast one can get to the top of a climbing wall, you must read this interview. If you already know all this, it’s even better, all the more reason for you to read it 😉 You’ll get to know how it all began for Ola, what her favourite place to compete is and which superheroine she would become if she had such a chance.


RT: When I read your posts on the FB page that you run, I have the impression that you don’t need any managers or journalists, because you can perfectly handle covering the competitions you take part in. Have you ever thought about becoming a sports journalist in the future?

Aleksandra Rudzińska: No, I haven’t really thought about it. I don’t feel I’m good enough at it. I still have a lot to learn. I keep learning how to write FB posts, prepare sports coverage and in general run my FB page. All this is a completely new experience, because my FB page has appeared quite recently, in the second half of July, but it’s really nice to hear that I’m good at handling it

My little tradition is starting the interview with the question about the beginning. Do you remember how it all began? I’ve read somewhere that you started from swimming. When did you become interested in climbing? When did you think, “I really want to take it up, to start treating it seriously?”

My climbing adventure began in September 2007, so that was about nine years ago. It’s a great amount of time. I got my feet wet on the climbing wall in the school I was attending at the time. The very idea of climbing was born thanks to my older sister Gosia, who was really good at it. I remember that she would always come home with cups and medals. Once, when she returned from some competition, an idea came to my mind. I thought that I’d like to do the same thing. And that’s how it all began.

And do you remember your first contact with the mountains? For example, some moment from your childhood?

Sure, I do. That was during one of my last training camps for swimmers. Frankly speaking, back then, the mountains didn’t really appeal to me, but the truth is that mountain hiking and climbing artificial climbing walls, or even rock climbing, are two different things. I’m now thinking about coming back to the mountains to get to know them afresh and, who knows, maybe fall in love with them :).

If you take a look at the basic information about sport climbing, you can learn that there are three climbing disciplines called speed climbing, lead climbing and bouldering. Could you decribe, in short, each of them? What do the competitors do? What decides about the final score?

As you’ve mentioned, sport climbing is divided into three kinds:
* lead – competitors climb up the climbing route „leading” the rope up the wall with lead belaying and clipping the belay rope into preplaced equipment attached to bolts on the wall. The length of the routes is about 20-30 metres and their difficulty increases with the rise of the height and the weight of the particular round (preliminary, semi-finals, final). The winner is the climber who reaches the highest point on the wall.
* bouldering – competitors don’t use the rope, crash pads (thick mats) are used for protection. The participants of the competition have to overcome a few separate climbing problems. The amount of the points gained and the number of attempts taken decide about the final rank. Bouldering problems have usually high, often even the highest, level of technical and physical difficulty, unseen in other kinds of indoor climbing competition.
* speed climbing – two competitors climb up dozen metres tall, similar or identical, routes at the same time. The amount of time taken to cover the route decides about the victory or defeat. The best competitors can get to the top of a ten meter wall in 5 seconds time. Speed climbing is a very dynamic kind of climbing, most eagerly watched by fans. It sparks vigorous cheering among the audience and gives great experiences.

Can you say a few words about the equipment and clothes needed in sport climbing?

Whatever kind of indoor climbing we talk about, we always need sportswear, special climbing shoes, a chalk bag and some powdered magnesia carbonate (”chalk” used by climbers). Another piece of equipment you need in lead and speed climbing is a harness. You can usually rent the rest of the things needed at a climbing gym. Of course, the list gets longer with time and a changing level of skills, but I think everyone will figure it out by oneself.

There are some sports disciplines in which properly selected equipment or right shoes can turn the tides, for example help a contestant improve the result by fractions of a second. Can such details matter in your sport? Or does the victory or defeat always come down to your skills?

I think that, after all, sport climbing isn’t on the same level as running or swimming, so the kind of equipment we use doesn’t determine victory or defeat. What matters is always the skills.

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Do you have your role models as far as competitors in your sport go? Is there anyone who inspires you?

Actually, every climber is extraordinary and can be inspiring in his or her own way. For me, it’s hard to name one particular authority figure, because you can learn something new and interesting from everyone.

Due to your great achievements in speed climbing, you’re associated mainly with this kind of climbing. Does it give you most fun and satisfaction? What’s so special about it?

What I love most in speed climbing is the adrenaline accompanying every competition. This is what keeps me going. Running up the wall gives me a lot of satisfaction – primarily because I can see my progression and realize that training is effective, I notice its results and make sure that I’m on the right track.

You have a lot of achievements to your credit. In the introduction to this interview I tried to mention at least a few of them. Which achiement was, so far, the most important for you? Which one was the most unexpected?

It’s difficult to pick one particular achievement, because each and every one of them teaches me something new and gives me amazing memories and experiences. As for the most surprising victory, that was in 2012, when for the first time in my life I won a IFSC Climbing World Cup competition. I remember that I didn’t expect that success at all.

You’ve been to China many times, including 2013 when you won an IFSC Climbing World Cup competition in Chongqing. Did you have time for sigthseeing during those stays? Did you have a chance to get to know a little bit of Chinsese culture, the mentality of those people? Which place in China do you have the best memories of?

Yes, of course. We often arrive in a our destination a day or even two before the competition, so we have some time to walk around the city or town, go sightseeing, get to know something about the local culture. Personally, I don’t go a bundle on China and their culture, but I guess it’s a matter of taste. I fondly remember my stay in Shanghai, maybe because it largely resembles a European, rather than Asian, city. At least, this is my opinion.

How popular is indoor climbing in Asia? Is the popularity of this sport there similar as in Poland or can you see the difference as far as the interest of fans goes?

During competitions in Asia, there’s always a full house. People in the audience react very vigorously. I think there’s no point in comparing the popularity of indoor climbing in Poland with the popularity of this sport in any other place in the world, because, unfortunately, not many people in Poland have ever heard of sport climbing. Still, I hope that, with time, it will start to change.

In speed climbing, all the climbing walls at competitions are the same, regardless of the place, right? If so, do you have any places you like best, for example because of the atmosphere during the competitions?

Yes, you’re right. At every competition, the wall, as well as the setting of the holds, is the same. I have my favourite place, though. It’s Chamonix, a little French town situated at the foot of Mont Blanc. It’s a beautiful place. I love it for its magnificent view and the atmosphere at the competitions. I love the local audience :).

Is climbing a sport for everyone? Do you think there’s any age bracket you have to fall within in order to do this sport, not necessarily professionally? Can, let’s say, a 50 year old person in good form give climbing a go and try his or her luck on the wall?

Climbing is a sport for everyone, for children, adults, elderly people. It’s an extraordinary sport and one of the reasons why it’s so special is the fact that everyone can try it, regardless of age and level of training. A lot of people climb just for fun.

What does climbing give you? What have training sessions and competitions taught you?

First of all, climbing has taught me self-discipline, perseverance in pursuing my goals and overcoming my weakness. I can now learn from my failures in order to use them later in my quest for becoming the best. Climbing isn’t only a sport for me, it’s also a kind of relaxation and a way to get away from it all, to take some rest.


In our interview you’ve spoken about the adrenaline that this sport provides. What about your everyday life? When you don’t train or take part in competitions, are you a ball of fire or rather cool, calm and collected?

I’m definitely a ball of fire. I’m always here, there and everywhere. I have itchy feet.

I’m curious if, for example during holidays, you prefer to go to the mountains or rather lie on the beach ad take some rest from thinking about climbing?

Despite everything, I prefer to spend holidays far from climbing, climbing walls and training rigour. However, this doesn’t mean that I go somewhere just to lie on the beach. I like spending time actively, getting to know new places and other cultures, so for my holiday trips I always choose some new, fresh destinations. As for the mountains, this year an idea emerged to go to the mountains, but not in order to climb, but rather to hike ad breathe some fresh mountain air.

What films do you like to watch, what do you like to read, if you have some time for that?

As far as films go, I don’t have one favourite genre. As for the books, I definitely like psychological books best.

And what do you like listening to?

Just as I don’t have my favourite film, I don’t have one favourite band, singer or kind of music. I really like music by Hans Zimmer and Adele’s songs, but, honestly, it all depends on my mood.

The Carnival’s still on. Do you find time to go to parties?

I do sometimes go out with my friends, have some fun. It’s not that if you’re a sportsperson, you immure yourself and just keep waiting for another training session. I lead a normal life, I have my friends. We like to meet from time to time, talk, go out, go somewhere.

And what’s your favourite music when you’re on the tiles?

For me, it’s really hard to answer this question. I think it all depends on the people you party with, not the music.

If we talk about music, let me ask you – do you listen to music during your training sessions or do you prefer when it’s relatively quiet around?

I definitely prefer training with my headphones on. Music keeps me going and helps me to concentrate.

It’s still the beginning of the year. Could you say a few words about the most important competitions that lie ahead in 2016?

The most important event in this season is the World Championship in Paris that will take place in September. As for other competitions I’m preparing for, there will be of course the whole IFSC Climbing World Cup cycle starting in April, the Polish Championship and the Polish Cup competitions.

The Olympic year has recently begun. Climbing is present at the World Games that next year will be organised in Poland, in Wrocław. What about the presence of this sport at the Olympic Games? Reportedly, there’s a chance that it can become a part of their programme in a few years’ time. Is it true?

Yes, there is such a chance, but unfortunately everything’s in the hands of the IOC commission.

“And now for something completely different.” The end of term exams at the university are coming. Do you have a secret formula that could help students survive this time without too many problems?

I guess I don’t. Unfortunately, every year, it’s the most problematic time for me, because it’s really hard to reconcile studying and training sessions. However, I’ve always somehow managed to handle it so far.

They call you „Spider-Woman” and we can say that you already have one superpower. When I watch the videos showing you speeding up the wall, I have the impression that you could easily take part in one of the TV series about superheroes. If you could really become a superheroine and possess superpowers, who would you like to become? What superpowers would you like to get?

A hard question. I’ve never thought about it, but I’d definitely like to be able to fly. And which superhero would I like to be? Maybe someone like Batwoman?

Thank you very much. I wish you you a lot of new achievements :).

Interview by Łukasz Garbol, January – February 2016

As usual, check a few useful links:

Ola Rudzińska on Facebook



Photo 1 by Mateusz Mirosław, photo 2 by A. Kamiński, photo 3 by Walusza Fotografia. All photo copyrights belong to their respective owners.


An interview with Jamin and Kiowa Winans – the creators of “Ink”

This time I would like to present an interview from my archives. It’s a written version of an interview I made via Skype in January 2011 with the creators of the movie Ink – Jamin and Kiowa Winans. When I watched Ink I immediately thought that I would like to talk to the artists behind it some day. Although the movie was made outside big Hollywood studios, it soon became very popular, gaining millions of viewers all over the world and very good opinions from the critics. Recently, they released another great, thought provoking movie, The Frame. You should check this one, too. What film directors inspire them? Can a small budget be helpful? Is it easier to make a soundtrack when you are both a director and a composer? How was a memorable scene with Jacob triggering the series of events made? What do they know about the Polish cinema? What charity project did they support i n Bulgaria? All these and even more you can find in this interview with Jamin and Kiowa Winans (respectively – first from the upper right and first from the lower right in the picture). Please check this blast from the past 😉

Jamin Kiowa and Ink Cast at Egyptian Theatre Hollywood Small

As far as I know, Ink has many fans in Poland, but there are probably some people who don’t have any clue about it. Could you say a few words about the plot of the movie?

Jamin Winans: It’s a good question. It is about a lot of things. It basically centers around the two worlds – the dream world and our conscious world. A lot of people asked us if we were inspired by Inception, but we actually made this before Inception. It’s basically about people who come out at night and give you dreams and nightmares and about the battle they sort of fight over your dreams.

If you were to encapsulate this story in one sentence, what would you say? What is it about?

JW: I would say it’s ultimately about redemption, I think. If we had to keep it in one sentence, that is what I would have got.

In many interviews you talked about the sources of inspiration for the whole story. I would like to ask about the particular name. Why Ink?

JW: You know, it’s funny. We get asked that a lot when we are touring around with the film. When we are doing screenings, a lot of people ask us about the name. We decided that we ultimately weren’t going to tell anybody why we chose the name Ink just because we didn’t want to pin it to one meaning to anybody, because we realized that a lot of people were coming up with their own ideas of what it was. We decided that we wanted to leave that to everyone’s imagination so, sorry, but I’m not going to answer this question. We really want the audience to determine the meaning for themselves.

Right, maybe it’s sometimes better to keep some things unrevealed. The first scenes of the movie when dreams of different people are shown probably demanded a lot of work, a lot of effort and a lot of people engaged in the project. How difficult was it to put it all together?

Kiowa Winans: The actual shooting of the entire movie was 83 days, which for a very small independent budget and crew is a lot of shooting days. Most of independent films are shot in 20 days or less, but then again most of people are not doing sci-fi films on independent budgets. So, it was 83 shooting days and the opening fight sequence, for example, that lasts about a minute, minute and a half, took, I think, five days to shoot and a lot of time to rehearse that particulat fight. A good friend of ours, Dean Bryan Taylor, and some of his friends, coordinated and designed all those fights and worked with our actors for four – five months to train them and to rehearse all the steps of this fight so that it looked really authentic and so that nobody would get hurt. So it took a lot of effort and a lot of people, just to have a really kind of passion helping us to step in. Day to day, we had an extraordinarily small crew – about ten people on set each day, which is also extremely rare. That’s why the production was so long and the post-production was so long. It was a really serious undertaking for just a few people.

Talking about complicated scenes, what about the scene that has already become very famous, the scene with Jacob triggering a series of events? Did anything in particular inspire you to make such a scene?

JW: You know, I’ve done this type of scene a few times. The first time I did something like this was in a short film that I made several years back called The Maze. It was this idea that everything is sort of connected. Then I used this idea again in a short film Spin which is about a DJ who can sort of alter the world with his turn tables. So, yes, I just keep on using this idea over and over again, I guess, but it changes. It gets more refined with every film, but then in Ink I kind of designed this character. It basically took several revisions of the script to become what it is. It took a lot of planning to get that scene down. I think it took us three or four days to shoot it, cause there are so many components to it. There are so many different elements and shots to that scene. We did an enormous lot of planning. We had to shut down a busy intersection in downtown. We basically ran through it and recorded it beforehand just to make sure that we really knew how all the pieces went together. Then I had to have the music done in advance, so that everybody kind of knew how the music was going to work. Jeremy Make, who played Jacob, had to count to the actual beat of the music, so it took an enormous amount of preparation and it’s interesting because we shot in a course of three months, but we started shooting this scene a couple of days after the beginning of shoot and we didn’t finish shooting that scene until the very end of the shoot. So this is literally about two and a half months in between some of the shots that we did because we would shoot some other scenes, then we would come back and shoot more of this. It’s really interesting to see how many components and over how very long period of time had to come together to make one scene.


There are scenes, like the one with “Jacob’s chain”, that demanded a lot of effort and probably asking for permission from the local authorities. How was it to make such scenes outside, in the street?

KW: We shot in Denver, Colorado, USA, which is not a typical place to shoot a film. That’s where we grew up, we know a lot of people there. We used every favour we accumulated over lifetime there to get the film made. Because not very many movies are made in Colorado, and in the city of Denver in particular, the people there are very nice. There is a nice film office and they were very cooperative. We had to reroad the traffic, put up barricades and hire a few police officers to help us with crow control and all of that. They were very cooperative and very nice and it didn’t cost too much. It’s a lot easier than shooting in Hollywood, Los Angeles. There’s much less bureacracy to deal with in Denver, which is very nice, so it was actually quite easy to shut down the street. That was the only time we had to shut down the street, which was nice, and it’s one of the biggest intersections in downtown Denver, which isn’t a very big city, but it’s big enough to look like a very big city, so that part of it wasn’t too bad. As for the scenes strictly with Jacob on a sidewalk and all the things happening, we just shot it in the pieces and parts in the course of about three days. Shooting these scenes was towards the end of the shoot and I think we only had a crew of four people to shoot everything in that Jacob’s sequence minus the car accident – we had obviously a bigger crew on that day. I guess, movie magic put it all together.

I’d like to ask about something that is connected with that scene, too. Jamin, is it easier or more difficult to make a movie when you both direct and write music to your film?

JW: Over those years, I worked with other composers and then I had an opportunity to compose my own music. I’m not much of a musician, but I’m enough of a musician, I think, and I understand very much what I need for the scenes that I write, that I’m able to pull off the composition myself. For me, it’s easier to know the music in advance and to know how the music is going to work within the scene. For instance, in this movie I had written about 50 percent of the music before we started shooting, so I was able to incorporate the music in the shooting process. So, I like this process. It also keeps the creative juices flowing, I guess, so I do like to write my own music, but at the same time when you do it, you don’t have the opportunity of geting other people’s interpretations of your work, so when you’re working with other musicians who are really talented, a lot of time you can get a really great stuff you hadn’t otherwise thought of. I think there are advantages to both, but for me the past couple of films I really enjoyed going back and forth between the music and the writing, and the shooting and the editing. It’s all one big thing and I like jumping back and forth, kind of wearing different hats.

The plot of the movie is jumping between the two worlds. Have you thought about making a story, or even maybe a movie, that would take place just in the world of the Storytellers?

JW: You know, that’s a question a few people have asked. The idea that we’ve created this big world that Ink takes place in gives a lot of opportunities to keep on expanding the other places. At this point, we haven’t really planned on doing any sort of sequel or anything like that. One thing we considered, that we approached potentially at one point, was doing a graphic novel. That was something we maybe thought about doing, we hadn’t considered it really seriously, but I think that door is still open. Now we are planning on making some other films. We’re not planning on revisiting this world. But you never know, maybe some time in the future…


Maybe it’s a little bit scary, but when I watched the movie I thought that Ink could be anyone, someone we know or even ourselves. Do you think about it in such a way, that there is a danger that there is some part of Ink in everyone?

JW: Yes, it’s funny you say that because I was thinking when I was writing it that Ink sort of represents what I’d be afraid of becoming and I think a lot of people understand a lot of things Ink is going through. I think, especially when you are sort of a career person, when you are working your way up, it’s really easy to lose the sight of what is important in your life so I think it’s very easy to sort of let yourself be corrupted, and to some degree it is what Ink is, it’s a tale of rise and fall of one man.

What about the visual side of the movie? How much was it based on your own ideas, on the ideas of both of you, and how much did it owe to the costume designers, make-up artists and so on?

JW: Well, the funny thing is we were in charge of most of the stuff, because we didn’t have money to afford a very big crew, so the production design and wardrobe were done by Kiowa. Basically, a year in advance we started collecting images on a board, cut out images from magazines, and gather our work and a lot of different things that inspired us and we just put it all on a huge board and combined a lot of images and ideas. It’s what became the visual part of the film. KW: So, much of the look was inspired to some degree by the small budget. We couldn’t do really elaborate set pieces and elaborate expensive costumes, which in a lot of ways, I think, contributed to the look of the film. We were forced to make some unique decisions, particularly with the way the Incubi had looked. That was achieved by Jamin and post-production, hours and hours of rotoscoping, actually I should say months and months of rotoscoping shot, frame by frame, to make those Incubi costumes come together. The masks in front of their faces and their eyes – that was all handled in post-production. We had really great make up artists, but Jamin and I concepted all of the look in the art direction and the costuming, you know, just the general look of the film, basically how we said, by a lot of preplanning and just kind of culling inspiration from all kinds of places.

Talking about small budget, can it be in any way helpful? When you have less money, you have to use your imagination more – can it help in any way?

JW: Yes, exactly. You know, it’s funny when we think about it now. What if we could have had more money? We had wanted it. We look back and we think Ink is the film it is because we didn’t have very much money. Not to say that we will always be making movies for no money, but I think a lot of creative choices we made really came out of not having any money. I think it would have been a completely different film if we had had a lot of money. So we really kind of like the way that it is, we obviously want to be making films with more money and having higher production quality, but at the same time I think it’s one of the things that really make Ink unique and it gives the film some charm.

Talking about the possible ispirations. Have you seen the Russian movie Nightwatch?

JW: Of course, yes, it’s a great movie.

I’m asking about it because, like in Ink, there is also something like urban fantasy and powers of good and evil fighting over people. Could you say that Ink is in any way similar to this movie? What about other movies that inspired you?

JW: Nightwatch… I don’t remember when we saw it, I think it was during pre-production and I said, “Wow, that’s a lot like Ink”, especially the sort of the finale of Ink when they are in the hospital and theye are bouncing back and forth between the two worlds, there is some similar stuff in the Nightwatch films. I wouldn’t say it was influence because it hadn’t come out by the time we were making Ink, but I definitely see similarities, I’m a huge fan of these films. As far as the inspirations go, probably my favourite film maker is ironically Michael Mann who doesn’t generally do any sort of fantasy type of stuff, but I just really like his style and his attention to detail. As for the influences, I’m a really big Terry Gilliam fan, I’m a big Michael Gandry fan, I like Jean Pierre Jeunet – those are, I think, more obvious influences. I always say that with Ink I try to rip off a number of different people, so that it doesn’t seem like I just rip off one person. So I rip off from so many people that it looks like my own thing 😉

I think what connects Ink and Michael Mann films is intensive emotions, because this movie is bursting with positive and negative emotions. Something is always happening, not only outside but also inside of the characters.

JW: That’s a good point.


What are your plans for the nearest future? The movie plans?

JW: Well, Ink just continues to spread, it looks like Ink is going to be opening theatrically in England in a few months, but now we are developing the next film. It’s very hush-hush so I can’t tell you what the name of it is yet but it’s another film. It’s sort of sci-fi fantasy. That’s about what I can say, but we are working on it now. Everybody is asking when the next film is going to come out. It’s still gonna be a while because it takes a long time to make a movie, but we are working on one and I think it’s gonna be great. Hope everybody can hang tight. We try to get it as fast as we can.

Ink is one of the movies you keep thinking about a long time after watching it. What are the movies that keep you thinking about , the movies that return, that are still in your memory?

JW: For me, one of the movies that really did it for me, especially when I was younger, was Twelve Monkeys, which is a Terry Gilliam film. I guess, not a lot of people talk about this movie, but it’s one of my favourite films. I just remember I went and saw it in a theatre and I didn’t even know what to think after I got out. I just thought, “Wow”, so I went back and saw it again and every time I’ve watched it ever since still new things unfold for me. I remember thinking, “That’s a kind of film I wanna make”. That’s the film that is infinitely many-layered, it just always makes you think and I can even head for films like that but it’s probably top one.

KW: That’s a tough question. The film I think about year over year is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. That was a really well done movie. That’s a rarity. I would say that a lot of films that are being made now, especially the ones that are being massively promoted through Hollywood, are by and large very forgettable. Everything is a remake or an old TV show or something that is just very unoriginal. I think one of the most rewarding things about Ink is that a lot of people say that it really sits with them and I think it is by far the biggest complement you can get on a movie: that you actually think about it and it kind of sits with you for a few days afterwards and even longer than that. It’s very rewarding that people feel that way about Ink.

By the way, you’ve mentioned remakes. Have you had any offers from anyone to make a remake of Ink, for example with their own cast and with different director or something like that?

JW: You know, it’s funny. Early on, when Ink came out , I guess we never got any official offer, but there were certainly questions about that. Agents and other people just asked us if we were interested in doing a remake. We said, “Absolutely not”. I’m not a big fan of remakes either way and the last thing I would want to see is our film remade into something that I didn’t want it to be. So, yes, the idea was put out there, but we said, “No”.

I think it’s reassuring for most of the fans of Ink that no one else is going to touch it.

JW: That’s right. Don’t worry, we won’t let that happen.

What advice would you give to people who have some scripts ready, don’t have a lot of money, but would like to give it a try and make a movie?

JW: That’s a good question. I would say the best way I learnt how to make films was making short films and making very short movies, you know. I think that number one thing I would tell to anybody who is just getting into it is – don’t spend a lot of money early on, just practice making films making sure they’re one minute, ten minutes short films and get good at doing it first. Then, you know, expand to making a feature film. The other thing I’d say is just, “You know, shooting is very very difficult and before you shoot make sure your script is ready for the shooting, make sure it is very very good”. Writers have a good saying that if it’s not on the page, it’s not on the stage. In other words, if the script isn’t good, the movie is not going to be good, no matter what, so I think these are two biggest things: make short films and get good at doing short films first, because it’s very affordable, and secondly, make sure your script is really solid.


Are you in Bulgaria now?

JW: Yes.

Are you there in connection with Ink or with something completely different?

JW: No, we are actually working with a foundation here, in Bulgaria. We decided to take some time to do some charity work here. We have some friend who is trying to do some charity in Bulgaria that we are working with.

Could you say something more about this charity project?

JW: Yes, Bulgaria is a great country in general, but one of the problems they have here, and it’s sort of leftover from the communist times, is that a lot of disabled children that were born in Bulgaria are put in institutions and a lot of institutions are not well taken care of. They are government-run, but a lot of kids are not provided for carefully and are not aided appropriately. The organization we are working with is the organization that is essentially working on deinstitutionalising Bulgaria and getting disabled children out of these institutions to proper homes and making sure they get proper care.

That’s really interesting. Probably you travel a lot. And what associations do you have with Poland? When you think, “Poland”, what comes to your mind?

JW: One of the first associations is one of my favourite directors, whose name I always mispronounce, is Kieślowski.

And what’s your favourite movie by Kieślowski?

JW: Probably The Double Life of Veronique. It’s probably one of my favorites. I mean, I like everything I’ve seen. I’ve seen virtually everything he’s made, at least everything you can get in the United States. I’m sure he has early films that you can’t get in the United States, but over the past ten years I’ve watched his films so I always think of Poland and watching his movies. We were in Warsaw for about twenty four hours and it was a very very quick trip, but we liked it very very much. We obviously plan to return some time in the future. Poland is, from everything I have heard, read and seen, a thriving country. It’s just going to be great, so we’d love to visit it again as we continue to make films.

Thank you very much, it was a great pleasure talking to you two.

Interview by Łukasz Garbol, January 2011

As usual, a few useful links:

The Work of Filmmaker Jamin Winans



Photo 1 from Jamin and Kiowa Winans’ archives. Photos 2-5 are movie stills from “Ink”. All photo copyrights belong to their respective owners.